I am a sucker for spies and everything that is secret. So there I was in the Vatican Museum not looking at the art, but looking through a window into Vatican City. Let's just say I had read a bit more Dan Brown than was good for me. I find everything Mossad, CIA, and Secret Service incredibly interesting and now I can eavesdrop on our own AIVD. With permission, of course. The General Intelligence and Security Service is launching a podcast about what goes on behind the scenes. Liesbeth Rasker presents De Dienst. She completed the basic training of the AIVD and spoke with spies, who sometimes even tell their stories with distorted voices. Time to walk and listen, I think. The first two episodes are now on Spotify.